25 Clause, in combination, are not being enforced. Until and unless they are enforced, you are seeing machinery that is going to destroy the planet. Cynthia McKinney: Absolutely. I agree with you. C. Austin Fitts: Part of our challenge is to change that, and it’s going to take all of us – not just in the United States, but globally. Cynthia McKinney: The people of the United States have a huge responsibility to hold their government accountable because all roads lead to Washington, DC. If Washington, DC is messed up, then the rest of the world is messed up. C. Austin Fitts: The bank depository and all of the financial servicing and other work is done through the New York Fed member banks for the US government. So the US government doesn’t have its own bank accounts; it banks with all the New York Fed member banks and the Exchange Stabilization Fund. The New York Fed member banks’ agent runs its slush fund, and all of its information systems, unfor- tunately, are now run by large defense contrac- tors with those banks. It doesn’t have information or financial sover- eignty, and part of enforcing the Constitution is getting that back. Cynthia McKinney: It absolutely doesn’t have information sovereignty. Instead, what you have, is the Fed claiming its sovereignty, distinct and separate from the United States government. C. Austin Fitts: I would say that we have a few structural problems. Why is this important to you? What happens if we don’t enforce the Constitution but, in fact, change it? I want to talk numbers now. Since 1998, $40 trillion has disappeared in bailouts and missing money, and even more in quan- titative easing. I could estimate it up to $100 trillion. Now they have $40 trillion, but that is not on the balance sheet. However, if you look at the law, your property and my property and our retirement savings are on the balance sheet. So one thing that the Constitutional Convention push is trying to do is push a balanced budget amendment. Well, if we’re going to balance the budget with our retirement savings and property on budget, but the $40 trillion that they just stole is off budget, guess what is going to happen? Cynthia McKinney: Right, and the people pay the ultimate price, as always. Part of what we have to demand is that we want that money back. We want that money back for our infrastructure, for our children, for educa- tion, for everything that has gone undone and been stolen. C. Austin Fitts: Let me make this point: Peo- ple always say, “It’s gone; we can’t get it back.” That is not true. That money went someplace, and now there are assets that exist. The owner- ship interest in those assets should be back on the table. Cynthia McKinney: Well, they should be back on the table. This is partially what got me into trouble. Then I said, “Let me start naming names.” It’s very important for us to name names, be- cause if you make it a charge or an attack and it’s not a direct hit, it goes over people’s heads. You’ve been engaged in this conversation for 30 years. C. Austin Fitts: Right. Cynthia McKinney: I only started the conver- sation last year. Maybe some people started it in September 2001. So there is an entire body of knowledge out there that I don’t have. You don’t have the luxury of trying to educate me by going over my head. If you really want me to get it, you need to hit directly. That’s why naming names becomes important. C. Austin Fitts: That brings us to our next topic: Slug management. Cynthia McKinney: I pour salt on mine! C. Austin Fitts: One of my simple constructs is that in any community and any country and any organization and any business, 10% of the people are what I would call ‘net energy plus’ – they give more than they take. Those are your