30 tions, so that they could build control files on people at very low costs. They had no secrets. They had all the secrets in the world, but they had no secrets. Once you approve bulk collection by private contractors, they are in the catbird seat. They have 100% of all of our conversations and emails since 1996. Cynthia McKinney: The thing that is so inexplicable is that the billing system for every phone call that is made in the US is actually compiled or organized in Israel. It’s unbeliev- able to me. But I remember reading Victor Ostrovsky who said in By Way of Deception – and he has another book, The Other Side of Deception – that the Mossad found that operat- ing through corporations was the most useful way because corporations could go into places that intelligence agencies could not go. I remember who received the contract to pro- vide telecommunication service to every mem- ber of Congress that was up for grabs. Israel got the contract. C. Austin Fitts: When you’re doing that, you’re actually taking the control file system and turning it over to Israel. Cynthia McKinney: Right. You’re turning it over to people who know how to use it and who have a clear vision and mission. They have clearly articulated goals to each other – not to us. So we judge them by what they do, and those of us who have been looking at this for a long time – just like you’ve been looking at it for a long time – can see what they’re doing. C. Austin Fitts: Britain is a tiny country that ruled the world. Israel is a tiny country that could conceivably run the world if the United States and Russia kill each other. Cynthia McKinney: Of course they could. C. Austin Fitts: I would like to point out that when we raped Russia, many Russian mafia ac- quired Israeli passports. So we’re talking about a very unique partnership there. If you look at the fundamental governance issues, control files, or what Chuck Schumer is saying about the intelligence agencies and their ability, you’re talking about an invisible gover- nance structure and the dual passport system. You’re watching the creation of multiple invisi- ble control structures that are basically causing the struggle that we’re seeing unfold. Here is the reality: Let’s say we tear up the Constitution and have a Constitutional Con- vention. They get in and get control. They completely hijack the process which, as we know, is relatively easy for them to do. They have the control files, they’re using entrainment on telecommunications, and have all these dif- ferent mechanisms that we’re discussing. What happens to us? Cynthia McKinney: We become like compost and it’s the Soylent Green matter. C. Austin Fitts: I don’t think most Americans understand how, once you pull the covering of the Constitution, we become simply a natural resource to be harvested like any other natural resource. Cynthia McKinney: Yes, with no rights. C. Austin Fitts: Not only without rights, but with robotics and artificial intelligence arriving. Cynthia McKinney: That’s right, and the future looks bleak. C. Austin Fitts: Let’s discuss what the world would look like if we didn’t enforce the Constitution. One of the other secrets here is that they’ve been shrinking the pie. They’ve been increasing their own pie by shrinking the whole pie. I’ve said that the current wealth globally is one percent of what it could be if we had a system where we could trust each other. If you look at how oppressive this demonic force is and the possibilities if we reverse it, the wealth is so incredible. But I’m not only talking about financial wealth. We’ve existed in a world where living wealth and financial wealth have a win-lose relation- ship. So it’s the Popsicle Index going down while the Dow Jones index is rising. Imagine a world where the more you drive the Dow index up, the higher the Popsicle Index goes. So when you talk about a win-win world where the young people see extraordinary opportunity to create living wealth or financial wealth, you’re