28 clause, you’re giving them the machinery that provides the ability to institute violence under the rule of law globally on a nontransparent basis. Cynthia McKinney: Right, but I say that the Ziocons don’t care about the survival of the US. For what other reason would they push war against Russia? Maybe Russia, China, and Iran have blood together. And the United States can’t win that war; they shouldn’t even fight it. C. Austin Fitts: But if the US and Russia de- stroy each other, then they are ascendant – be it from Israel or wherever. So they have a place in mind, but they all have second passports. Cynthia McKinney: In the 1990’s or so, I remember observing what happened with the fall of the Soviet Union. So from the Yeltsin years to the Gorbachev years I observed what happened there. Then it went to Argentina. What’s to say that it’s not going to happen in the United States? That is what I was saying a long time ago, and now it’s here. C. Austin Fitts: What I believe the Ziocons want is to parcel the United States into five or six countries. Cynthia McKinney: They balkanize every- thing else. They’ve successfully Balkanized Su- dan. I witnessed two Sudanese women literally crying because, one was from the north and one was from the south, and they are supposed to be enemies now. They are supposed to hate each other, and their country has been broken. That is the Ziocons. If they would do it over there, why wouldn’t they do it over here? C. Austin Fitts: Right. You circulate popula- tion and balkanize political states so that no one has any power. Cynthia McKinney: Yes. That is exactly right. C. Austin Fitts: I think it’s hard for people to understand just how psychopathic they are. Cynthia McKinney: They don’t care! I’ve been with the Kurds and I’ve been with Kurdish leaders, so I understand support and their cry for freedom and dignity and being able to speak their language, which they couldn’t even do in the Turkish part of the Kurd population as per the map creating the new Kurdistan. There is a difference between a legitimate aspi- ration for freedom and someone else coming in and using that legitimate aspiration for free- dom for their own goals, which are demonic – as you say. C. Austin Fitts: It’s peculiar because James Howard Kunstler recently wrote a long article, and he must have used the word ‘demonic’ 20 times. This is a very secular guy but I’ve been using ‘demonic’ for 20 years and it’s hard for most people to relate. When you see the scorpion-like behavior, that’s when you realize that these people get power from destroying everything. Cynthia McKinney: Let me tell you what I did. I read something – I can’t remember where I read it – and I went back and watched Eyes Wide Shut (or tried to watch it) and then I looked at what happened to Scalia. C. Austin Fitts: Scalia was assassinated. Cynthia McKinney: Then I studied the way those men dressed. They were in a part of soci- ety where they dressed very strangely and I read that there was something about human skin. You can buy shoes and pocketbooks made out of human skin. I’m thinking, “What the heck is this?” So your audience can search about human skin shoes, and you’ll be able to find it and say, “Oh my goodness! This is beyond what I could even conceive.” C. Austin Fitts: If you watched some of the information about Pizzagate that is well documented, you can see how demonic the culture is. I saw it because I worked for Jack Kemp and there were Neocons in that group and I saw how they operate. They believe that if you just destroy all civil, legal, and cultural infrastruc- ture, ‘things will come back together’ and work, which they won’t. Cynthia McKinney: That is a part of cliody- namics. It’s the science of destruction and recon- struction. Basically you destroy a country – as the United States military is used to doing – and then you can buy a generation or so of hegemony.