31 seeing a world which is a wonderful world to be a part of. Cynthia McKinney: If we bring it full circle, we’re back with our students. C. Austin Fitts: Right, we are. Cynthia McKinney: The picture that you painted for them, as well as of them, are young people who are excited about the future. They are excited about their opportunities, and recognize that they have opportunities for a fantastic kind of growth that, perhaps, they hadn’t thought about for themselves before. But through our mutual interaction, now we’re starting to think, “Maybe we can do this. We can do that.” This is good for society. C. Austin Fitts: Right. We can increase the pie more than they can. One thing that keeps returning to my mind over and over is, if you look at the lists of competitiveness, who is the most competitive country or city in the world? Hong Kong is number one. This is a city that has reinvented itself again and again, and there is no harder working population than that population. Yet when you’re in Hong Kong, what you realize is that the young people are not excited about the future in Hong Kong. They see that their freedom is diminishing. Here the young people are so excited about building the future and building the future with the people around them and interacting globally. We’ve had students from Sri Lanka and Bhutan and Nepal, and they were like puppies swarming with each other. You see the power of that energy to create and build. Or you come to the United States, and they are so depressed about the future. I’ll use the US, for example. You observe the US children and the kids here, and see how the parents and families support these children, and you watch the way they are treated in the United States. Don’t even get me started on student loans! Cynthia McKinney: Yes, because I have a full complement of student loans. C. Austin Fitts: What you’re seeing is that question of one vision of the future where that attraction to freedom and opportunity is driv- ing the increase explosively and the other where they’re almost ready to quit. I saw a great interview with Jack Ma, the head of Alibaba, and he was talking about how Alib- aba needs to use artificial intelligence robotics to give small businesses a tool to flourish. If small businesses can flourish, the transition could work. But if you use robotics and AI to take away all the business from the small busi- ness, the future is not going to work. It’s the same either-or, and I think it’s so clear and simple. The question is: How do I help my generation and your generation understand that we have to create those conditions for the young people or there will be no future? Cynthia McKinney: Here on this side of the planet, though, I think we have a concept that I’ve bought into and basically shaped my entrepreneurship class around it, and that is Gandhian engineering. So we figure out ways to provide a solution for society that provides extra for more people with less. C. Austin Fitts: Right, and it’s very doable. Let’s talk about how. One thing I know you’ve been doing is being part of a group called UN- RIG, which are open source solutions. The reality is that if we’re going to enforce the Constitution and deal with the money, a lot of people in America get government checks. So we’re going to have to come up with a way of creating income so that the government can’t blackmail them with the government checks. That is part of this. Certainly as a Congresswoman you saw how ev- erybody wanted their checks. So that is a com- plicated full system change. So whether, what you’re doing with Unrig or what I’ll do, I’m going to write scores of information and ideas about how. I don’t want to cover all of that now. I think the important thing is that we can all figure it out together – once we understand – that we enforce the Constitution, or else. So you can either figure out how to make a life raft, or you can drown.